Hello. What is a great brand for intermediate Tenors? That first Mark II 62 alto was offered internationally but Yamaha USA didnt adopt it and continued to have the original YAS-62 made and offered in the USA. Sax News and Brand Overviews / pads, necks, case, etc). The 82Z series was designed specifically for professional jazz players, and it shows. The 62III was very clean and clearand maybe a bit brightbut definitely better than his 475. The most in tune clarinet I ever played. By Doron Orenstein / Plus the big bell on both the Cannonball and the Keilwerth make the low notes easier to play. ( I recommend the selmer soloist or jody jazz HR* mouthpiece, although theres plenty of choice it might be worth looking on another forum aha ). If you bought the instrument from us, maybe we track by official model changes in our own system, not revisions. February 4, 2014 @ 5:07 pm. So did you ever find a horn that worked for you? There is a good possibility that this saxophone is over five years old and hasnt had any matinence. It has been on the road with me and for years played five to seven nights a week. The sound isnt quite as oriented toward jazz as the 82Z, but depending on your skill, you can use it for many more genres of music, from the dark sounds in classical orchestra to the bolder rock tones. I paid 725.00 for m,y mark iv in 1971 when I was in high school. We went TDY to Mardi Gras, and, when I rotated overseas, the 296th Army Band handed me brand new Selmer MK VIs. Initially I went through some mouthpiece changes, but once I settled on the Beechler its been great! Luke Yancey I have played a YAS-23 for about 7 years. Thank you for the average prices! November 5, 2012 @ 8:40 pm. Also to the best of my knowledge the Navy Band Program never bought any Yamaha clarinets. as far as the alto sax goes , i find that the yanigesawa alto a991 has a darker sound than the Yamaha but of course the mouthpiece will also make a great deal of difference as werll . Besides combo gigs were usually inside at a reception or under a tent. Thank you very much in advance. All of a sudden we have new saxes, clarinets, trumpets, flutes, piccolos, trombones, euphoniums and sousaphones to try out for 2 weeks. Any recommendations? This is just another reminder to bring a tuner with you when you go horn shopping. I have a YAS-31 alto with the purple logo on the very front of the bell . The sound is somewhere in between a Conn 10M and a Selmer Mk VI. Especially after the introduction of the 62 line of alto and tenor Yamaha saxophones, Yamaha has consistently been ranked as one of the best saxophone manufacturers in the world. Yanagisawa makes some great instruments too. We always seek to keep customers informed and up to date with the best information possible, the truth! So on the YAS-875 Series, heres what the versions would be marked on the box: So to round out this discussion at least a bit on the other professional altos, the 82Z is currently in version // 03 which is a YAS-82ZII, with Pisoni Pro Pads. Doron Orenstein The laquer is wearing away and the bell is dented. If he likes the 62 then it might be a winner and theres always the issue of mouthpieces ( the 62 is very flexible in this aspect ) meaning you could always improve the 62s performance without breaking the bank! January 24, 2012 @ 8:06 pm. We tested a YAS-62III and a Cannonball big bell. Every penny I had. So with that experiment over I go back to playing my Buffet except for the 1 gig we did outside when the boss asked everybody to play the Yamaha horns. Really sad story but its true. I know that some of there saxes play high as noted in my previous letter. Down the road, I may start thinking about a premium/pro horn and I will probably stay with the Yamaha line. The Yamaha barrel looked to be the same size as the Buffet barrel when I lined them up next to each other on my flat desk surface. There are some people, customers and retailers, out there who claim that there is now a 4th Generation or 62 Mark 4 out there (which there isnt, at least not really). Sounds like quite an journey youve been through finding a good horn to play. We have an appt on Thursday to try an 875EX and an 82ZII. Any suggestions? Now that was a great horn. So I wanted to attempt to clear up some of the confusion surrounding this topic. The Yanagisawa 901 ( now the AW01 ) is a very popular alternative to the YAS-62 III so that would be worth a look or a second hand A-991, those horns are fantastic in every regard! Also I did meet him as I took my last lesson with him while I was on leave. YAS 62 seems to be pro, and 480 is like intermediate saxophone. Get that tenor to a good saxophone repair guy asap. Doron Orenstein It just continued to buy 1 or 2 as replacement horns for those guys who wanted them. I also play a yas-61 alto which I bought in 1972.They are great horns. Yamaha USAs records are also only searchable dating back to some time in the 1990s as well. I play on a yts-23 in my high school band. December 15, 2012 @ 10:34 am. My YAS-31 does have pearl key touches as well , which leads me to believe its the same body tube as the YAS-61 made at that time . He is looking to move up to a new pro alto sax. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. They needed shorter barrels but unfortunately they didnt have any. If your horn came through another distribution office (different area of the world), Yamaha USA wont have the record. Tom Colwell Thanks in advance for your help. The reason I didnt pay a Keilwerth tenor is because they did not have one to issue me. There are a lot of people out on the internet right now looking to use these sticker codes to trick consumers in to believing something that is not true. They are trying to convince the Navy Music Program to buy more of their instruments. Then I switched to bari and played a Selmer Series 2 they had. Now I said watch what happens when I put my Buffet Green Line barrel on it. But it was several thousand dollars cheaper than the Keilwerth. Btw I listened to the Bob Shepard interview last night. To be perfectly honest, I havent tried the 61 series, so I cant really speak intelligently about those. Specially tenor 61 saxes are good valued. Reading the Navy bandsmans tales brought back some foggy memories. I prefer that I start a bit flat, then warmup to the band. Yamaha in general produces bright sounding equipment. Now you need to go back and tell the engineers to fix the instrument. Well Selmer saxes as new are verrrrry expensive but if you were to look around on the second hand market you might be able to find one at a reasonable price; in my eyes theyre a little overpriced but I absolutely adore Super Action 80 II alto so I think it pays to shop around theyre certainly not everyones cup of tea. These revisions will commonly occur without the hoopla of a press release. The professional Yamaha YAS-62 and YTS-62 model saxophones have been the workhorses of the Yamaha saxophone lineup for over 30 years. Obviously the cost difference makes the 62III dads choice. In the case of the current Custom Series saxophones for instance (82ZII and 875EXII), there was a pad change made in 2019 where Yamaha started to use the higher end Pisoni Pro pad, which has become a de-facto standard among top tier pro saxophones. Sometimes Yamaha will make minor changes (revisions) to a model that would not warrant a full new model number or generational marking. Okay that is my take on the Yamaha horns. Sorry! Your email address will not be published. However because of the elements we perform in they were getting very weather beaten. March 22, 2012 @ 8:30 pm. March 24, 2014 @ 6:47 pm. I was just at NAMM, but the Yamaha horns were on a different floor than the rest of the horns and I never made my way up to that booth. We bought it for her when we lived in Japan in the early 80s. Since then, they have released the current 3rd Generation Yamaha 62 Alto as the YAS-62III which is the same internationally as it is in the USA. March 19, 2012 @ 8:38 pm, The trusty old Mark VI remains at the top of the list. I said, you saw what happened, how the clarinet was sharp and how it came in tune with the Buffet barrel. Last year I bought a Cannonball Nickel plated Black lacquer horn. It was gently used when I received it and I couldnt have asked for a better horn at the time. The original Yamaha 62 Alto Sax debuted in 1978, replacing the older 61 Alto Sax. With optimum intonation and an emphasis on comfort and durability, the 23 series is perfect to help new players get a hang of their instrument. Oh and if youre after a different sound a new mouthpiece might do the trick, thats a whole different ball game though! I wanna play soul/funk/jazz and i am asking you if you could help me.. YAS 62 or YAS 480 is better sax for me? Thanks ! After playing it for several minutes I put it on my trusty tuner. It responds immediately. He wants to replace his student tenor sax, Yamaha Vito 7131TK, with a used pro vintage tenor sax for $2000 or less. The // 05 indicates that this is the version of the original 875 design. Wow, your horn has cancer doesnt sound good, but I guess that these horns really know how to take a lickin (no pun intended). Sadly, this is just not the case. I use this horn as a backup for my Mk VI. One thing I noticed was just how free-blowing and bright the yamahas were when compared to the selmer ( the 62 and Z were very similar Nice though ) , not bad just different. My son was able to demo several horns, including the Yamaha 62III, 82ZII, and the 875EX. Your home for saxophone tips, techniques, interviews, reviews, and news. Everybody else had to push in and play at A 442. Well see what happens with the demos, and Ill let you know. The instrument itself looks rough. I had that building at a constant 70- 72 F. Indeed sometimes it even felt like Stockholm, Sweden in October. I showed it to the rep. Everything was pushed in all the way. In a another post I will tell you about our experience w/the Yamaha product rep who lent us a bunch of horns for 2 weeks and how the band sounded when everyone played their loaner Yamaha horn on a gig. Note: Alto saxophones are prefaced by YAS (for Yamaha Alto Saxophone), while tenor saxophones are prefaced by YTS. Yamahas entry-level professional option, the 62-series is quite simply the best saxophone in its class. They handed me brand new King Super 20 alto and tenor saxes. Not sure if thats where hes looking to go with his musicbut it sounded great! Thing is, without the correct methods, you're likely to waste time, looking for the perfect setup and trying to make sense of vague and conflicting instruction from books, videos, and private teachers. In any case, if theres a second hand horn youre interested in then give it a try but never buy without prior testing :). I played my first solo 3 months ago just for a small group and my Fiancee was very proud of me. Doron Orenstein I tried them at the Sax Symposium at GMU near Wash DC for 2 yrs in a row. I heard an online demo of all the YAS modelsand the 82ZII has a wonderful jazzy sound. This all has to do with the box markings. I still have ways to go but I put in at least an hour a day. I recently had the chance to test play the new Yam 62 alto and 82Z custom alto which were very impressive, even if a touch bright! Reba Abrassart Worth The durability of construction and quality of sound are legendary. Having played other instruments of other brands and hated them, Ive always ended up getting a Yamaha. Matt: From what you describe I would bet your horn is leaking really bad. The box markings from Yamaha account for the revisions to a product, regardless of whether they are a new generation or a minor update. Its one-piece design may come as a surprise to some, but its bright, even tone is all trademark Yamaha. March 18, 2012 @ 5:30 pm. I am an adult thinking of learning to play the sax. Sure enough the clarinet was 10 cents sharp. So he unloads every woodwind and brass instrument they make. They do it to convince you that they have the newest models and no one else does so that you buy from them. Yes they will give you a horn to play while you are in the band. And Im glad you liked the Sheppard interview, definitely some nice stuff in there. They just continued to buy the Buffets and Leblanc Concerto clarinets. July 20, 2015 @ 2:21 pm. I wish that I could give you an easy out on this one, but you simply need to do your homework. From reading Paul Cohens Vintage Saxophone column in Saxophone Journal it appears that prior to 1914 the pitch could have been anywhere from A 438 or lower to A 448 or even higher. The YTS-61 was half the price and played great out of the box. Learn how your comment data is processed. So if they want to have big bands, show bands, rock bands w/horns and someone has to play bari they provide it. Thanks for sharing! Required fields are marked *, Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. So all those Mk VIs were buffed down & relacquered several times. The reason I didnt use a Selmer Series 2 in big band/combos is because I was so used to my Mk VI and I was very picky about playing tenors. Good for high-level intermediate players and extending well into the professional realm, the YSS-675 is renowned for its comfort and clear, resonant tone. Same clarinet, everything pushed in, no tricks. Well, I can tell you that the Roman numeral II on the box followed by a // would be awkward to read at a glance which is why the Roman numerals are not marked on the boxes at all. There pitch was right with ours. Yamaha is known for constantly trying to improve their products. Special thanks to Jonathan Goldman, Yamaha USA Product Manager Wind Instruments, for helping to clarify this wonderfully muddy topic. My building is still a cool 72 degrees. From a G in the staff down I cant play very well. Man I could tell you stories but another time). Well I must tell you that was the absolute worst gig the band ever played. March 20, 2012 @ 8:27 pm. The Series 2 just didnt have the sound of a Mk VI. Im curious as to what people think about the 62 tenor when compared to the yani and selmer alternatives But I give the yamaha altos a solid thumbs up! The durability of construction and quality of sound are legendary. See back then, Yamaha kept the series number of 6, which indicates a professional series (60 or 600 Series depending on the instrument) but made the logical succession from 61 to the new replacement model of 62. Never had a draft card to burn, though. This means that the only way to determine your generation is based on the features present on your instrument! I know that the Yamahas have a reputation for playing bright. These codes need to help in inventory control & management and thus be easier to read. They refused to pull their slides out and play at A 440. February 4, 2014 @ 2:42 pm. Sam Holland Jr. March 5, 2013 @ 2:34 pm. She is heartless.. LMAO but when she ran up to me and said babe, you were awesome. When the 62 first came out it was basically a Selemr MkVI copy. Your email address will not be published. Flashy technique and altissimo are all fine and good, but a rich, powerful, and distinctive saxophone sound that truly grabs your listeners is the hallmark of any great player. Thanks again. I understand that the Yamaha soprano 82Z is pretty new on the market, but why is there so little critical review to be found posted? Starting from your mental concept of sound, to the breath, to the throat and the oral cavity (lots of cool overtone exercises here! Maybe I have lost you already so let me back up a quick second for the purpose of this article, I will focus primarily on two models of Yamaha professional alto saxes; the Yamaha 62 Alto Sax and the Custom 875. I think that youll definitely notice a difference in sound quality if you move up to something more advanced, but I also think that you can go a pretty long way with the 23. To quote Roger Eaton, Marketing Directory of Yamaha USAs B&O Division: The professional Yamaha YAS-62 and YTS-62 model saxophones have been the workhorses of the Yamaha saxophone lineup for over 30 years. I have an YTS-52.-It is true that this horn is closely the same as the YTS-62.? I learned a lot. Doron Orenstein Ken said the YTS-62 was as close the the BA tenor sound that he could get to. Try to steer clear of quirky vintage horns as these can prove expensive and mouthpiece compatibility is always an issue as well as tuning A second hand YAS-62 Mark 1 ( pre 2003 I think please correct me ) is worth a look or if youre looking upmarket a second hand Selmer SA80 II or ( if you can find one, these horns seldom appear on the used market ) a Yamaha Z or a Yani A991 / W010. but am not altogether happy with the lewis ,hence the look into the YAS 23 OR VITO -LE BLANC Ive only had minor things done to it. It had been relacquered at least 3 times which included buffing the heck out of it. I sit in the Generations camp due to the eventual 6th Generation of the 62 coming out in 30+ years it cant be called the Yamaha 62 Mark VI that would just be plain weird. They are: So, based on all of this information, the current YAS-875EXII with the Pisoni Pro Pads (which went in to production in 2019) should be marked as as the 5th version of the YAS-875 or is the 4th version of the YAS-875EX or the second version YAS-875EXII?So which is it? The YTS-23 tenor sax costs about $2200 new and about $500 used. Is it because of the high price in this lousy economy, is it failing to meet expectations of those whove tried it or is it just too soon? I have a black lacquer Big Bell Stone Series Cannonball that I use as a spare. All the other notes seem to line up better too. Navy wise I just used their horns for big band (alto & bari) my horn for Jazz Combo (I was the leader so I had a say in controlling the environment we played in. The clarinets pitch was dead on perfect. Doran, Using an ARB wint Rico Royal #3. While it lacks the legacy of the great vintage horns, as far as new horns that you can easily pick up today, Yamaha makes quite simply some of the best saxophones you can buy particularly if youre at the student level. Ill keep you posted. Eventually I got tired of having my own horn exposed to the lousy environments we had to play in so I switched over to alto and used a SX90R Keilwerth that the Navy had bought which really played in tune a lot better than the Yamaha tenor. However, that is Yamaha USA. I do know that in several European countries the pitch is creeping up. I also studied with Tim Price for a year or so back in the 90s. Mine has cancer and has fallen off the stage, been in motorcycle wrecks, and sat out on the stand most of the time, and still plays great. The neck screw is also broken and the neck is just dangling most of the time. I had a local shop repad/cork it. I told him I liked the sound of the horn and the concept of the notch in the bell. I said what, if I was Eddie Daniels youd pay it wouldnt you? YAS-475 costs around $1,800 new and in the $1,300 range used, while the YTS-475 costs about $2,300 new. There are plenty of places where you can compare the differences between the various generations of instruments. March 18, 2012 @ 11:21 am. Ive decided that I will upgrade to the 82Z. Do yourself a favor and try out as many horns as you can before you buy one. New models typically cost about $200 or so more than the YSS-675, but are generally in the same price range. Larry Weintraub Thanks , Soup ! I considered buying a Selmer for their reputation, but I tried one out and I just wasnt impressed. Ever since I came home from deployments I decided that I will put forth the effort and get back in to playing. ), to the embouchure, and then on to expressive effects and working on reeds - Dave covers everything you need to develop the sort of sound that turns heads - from the first note. The trombone players liked a horn called the Edwards trombone which the band ended up buying for them. A key cork was replaced, a few pads (Ive practiced a lot) and the repairman adjusted my keys. As a result of these box markings, I commonly receive emails, phone calls & social media messages where customers claim that there is a new generational design that is available on the market when it isnt necessarily. Before that instruments were made with pitches all over the place. I think that saxophone reviews in general are pretty rare because very, very few saxophonists have access to instruments other than their own, and out of that small population which is probably made up mostly of successful full-time professionals how many of them will take the time to write a review and see that it gets published? Anyhow, thanks for the kudos on the site, looking forward to your account of the Yamaha product rep adventure. However, on the 875 Series, there have been 5, even though there were only 3 official generations. Needless to say the horn played rough down low. Im a new student on alto. Looking for info on it . He may also want to check out the Keilwerth and the Cannonball Series of horns. Carl Silvestri Then I knew I had to keep at it. Mon-Fri 9:30-6:00 | Sat 9:30-4:00 | Pacific. Wow, I never knew that the military paid for musicians horns, but I guess it makes sense, especially when theyre putting you on a horn that you dont normally play (Ie: bari). My Navy Band was in a Tattoo with a Belgium Drum & Bugle Corp. He also tried a P. Mauriatwhich he liked the least. Surely there is a way that Yamaha sorts through these sub-models to keep everything straight? The Yamaha clarinet did have a really nice sound. You might want to check out this article series: https://www.bestsaxophonewebsiteever.com//is-it-worth-buying-a-pro-model-saxophone-part-i/, antonius smink March 18, 2012 @ 10:13 am. This was especially hard for the clarinet players who couldnt push in any further. I played the clarinet for about a minute and then put it on my tuner. It is among the best professional soprano saxes out there, with new models costing close to $3,500 and used ones around $2,500. Doron Orenstein That in effect ruined all those beautiful sounding Mk VI saxes. The Supply guy/Buyer for the Program told me that the younger sax players liked the brighter playing Yamahas but that the older guys who grew up playing the MK VIs liked the darker sounding and closer to a Selmer feel of the Keilwerths. I was playing my Navy Yamaha tenor so going higher was no problem for me. He shot me a youre crazy look. Since they sort their instruments by series (6 indicating professional), the inevitable jump to a new series number such as 7 could lead to confusion in the series designations. Now heres the kicker. February 18, 2013 @ 2:15 pm. Now I play a 65 King SilverSonic for soft stuff and a 79 YTS-61 for the hard stuff. Ready to go Deep Into the Art of Building a Massive Saxophone Sound? I am a clarinet player like 7 years, but i am switching to alto sax now.. Also a mid 80s YAS-23 if needed. Just for your information Jazz tenor sax/clarinet player Ken Peplowski plays a Yamaha YTS 62. I have been playing it for two years now with difficulty. I said the horn really projects. I have not seen anything in the trade journals about a new treaty to raise the pitch higher than A 440. Doron Orenstein So that was it, at that point the band did not buy large amounts of Yamaha horns en mass. I actually traded my mark iv in when I bought it. Also, any thoughts on buying a very recent used horn versus a brand new one? I said, that will be $30,000 consultation fee. Art Manchester I had turned in a MK VI Navy tenor that was on its last legs. Thanks! Unfortunately even though it still had a really nice sound and played in tune well the repair tech at Fleet Support said she would never be able to get it to seal perfectly. Ive played on alto, soprano, and baritone saxes without difficulty. Ive been playing a Yamaha YBS 52 Bari with a Beechler #5 mouthpiece for almost 14 years and I really like the horn a lot. So what I did was use the Yamaha for for Ceremonial Band gigs. Part II. January 25, 2012 @ 10:15 am. I absolutely love it. A friend of mine dubbed the horn SHOGUN a great horn for the price. I have read this series is better than 62 series. Im definitely considering the YAS-875EX, its a beautiful horn and when I tried it out, it filled the room. Went directly from basic into the 60th Army Band at Ft. Polk, La. The modern yamahas are very free blowing and in my opinion you cant go wrong with the brilliant 62 or Z custom, I had the chance to try the Selmer Reference 54 alto today which was much easier to play than my own SA80 II but it cost a small fortune! This story is true and it is exactly how I experienced it. Maybe brightness is a Yamaha thing all around- since even their pianos sound bright. Personally, I would have bet on the code of YAS-875EX // 04 since the EX would be easier to see at a glance over the original YAS-875 but alas, I would be incorrect in that guess. as for the tenor sax i now own 3 -Venus, Hanson t8, and my precious YTS62 == needless to say the Yamaha is everything they say it is ==but the point i make is this it was proof of the pudding is in the tasting.. unless you know trhe reliability of any given opinion, you can be persuaded of just about anything ,,to your COSTLY HORROR .not that they may be deliberately misleading anyone ,but all saxes generally differ from each other -even within same model ranges =and then there are the other variables mouthpiece, reeds, ligatures, tuning personal techniques,,, so i was blessed with the yamaha yts62 i got at a good price 1150 in near perfect condition [12 years old] BUT without the friendly and extremely helpfull staff at saxco london to guide me i would have continued making poor choices based on reams of reviews =there was no substitute for personal experience =they allowed me to see for myself the difference by a;;owing me to blow some wonderful instruments and then guided me to my own choice based on that so i will try for a YAS23 as i cannot now afford another 62 i hope it will be the right one [not a dud ] that i eventually get. The whole band was extremely sharp, the pitch was all over the place. I showed him how the barrels looked to be the same size. Larry Weintraub Perhaps the action was just to different from the Yamahas hes used to. Also the bell had a notch cut out inside it that made the sound really project and spin. Now this is good because when we play outside the whole band is going to go sharp. There have been 5 official versions of the 875 Alto Sax. This is essentially a change that doesnt change the design of the horn, but rather is an improvement while maintaining the existing design (i.e. These revisions are notated on the box with a // followed by the revision number. In 1990 we played with 2 Soviet Navy Bands. So in the case of the 62, there is the Yamaha 62, the 62 Mark II and the 62 Mark III. That way, we can compare everything to his current 475. The yani 901 is the best alternative to the 62 if hes interested and I hear that selmer have a new sax out called the seles Axos that is more or less the same cost as a 901, I had the chance to try one recently and I rather liked it I hope the sax searching goes well! Well, there is, but it is confusing and leads to some retailers mis-representing what they have. One goo question would be: Are there other Japanese designed and build saxophones which produce a warmer tone? The YAS-62 costs about $2,500 new and $1,800 used, while the YTS-62 is around $2,800 new and $2,000 used. I have thought about upgrading to a 62 or even a Selmer, but the 52 does such a great job that I hang on to it. FYI at 1 time the Navy had a lot of Mk VI saxes. Still need to try a Selmer and Yana to know if those hold anything special for himbut Id have to buy those used, based on the high prices of bothespecially the Selmer. I just received my sisters tenor sax. Designed for intermediate players, the 475 series sound is richer with more body than the 23 series, making these saxes an excellent buy for Yamaha sax players who want to show off their growing skills. The 62 is in version // 04 which is the current iteration of the YAS-62III. Perhaps the most versatile custom Yamaha saxophones, the 875EX series is best for skilled musicians who like to play many different genres. By the way, theres is so little information about 61s. Dont let them! March 21, 2012 @ 4:42 am. Again, I am using the saxophones as my reference for the discussion, but Yamaha also uses some of this generational model sorting in their other instruments as well. Could someone with some expertise and knowledge suggest brands, models, and serial number production years that would meet this criterion? If anyone has any idea how old or when my saxophone was made , please feel free to leave a comment . That goes for their musical instruments as well as electronics as well. So as an experiment I pull out my Navy issue Buffet Green Line clarinet, warmed up on it for a few minutes and played it into my tuner. He said it was wrecked beyond repair due to an accident. Yamahas tend to be warmer than the selmers and if you like your purple logo 62 then it might be worth just sticking to it and getting to know it inside out. October 18, 2016 @ 5:43 am.
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